Rusty Ferguson

I’m an American expat living in the north of Cebu Province of the Philippines and having the time of my life!

15 responses to “Economic Crisis of 2008 & the US Expat”

  1. Joe

    I heard from my College Professor of Finance and he confirmed I was mostly on target with this article. He did note a couple of exceptions. And pretty much any thing he says about financial matters I take as fact.

    He told me this was not a normal business down turn. The economy overall has been strong except for lending and housing. He went on the US economy can handle the storm better than other economies.

    (I had been asking if we are bailing out other counties as AIG was a bigger issue in Asia from what I could tell, he might have been alluding to that.)

    This down turn was largely caused by over use of risky derivatives. Derivatives can be extremely complex. To me, the non-uber financial geek, they seem like a scam. I’m sure that’s an over simplification though. Some derivatives didn’t seem to have a real value all of their own. They were based on really complex mathematics that had to do with the difference in the bid and ask price of futures. Futures in themselves are complicated. Futures are where your purchase the right to buy certain items, stocks, oil, gold, or dollars for a certain price in the future. While it is a good way for a beginner to get started because you don’t need as much money to control a lot of the item, it is a complex world. So when you add in the mathematics to compute the value of already complicated trading prices, it just doesn’t pass the smell test for me. I would have to trust someone an awful lot to get into derivatives and that someone would have to have a lot of experience that only time will provide.

    Overall though, the expat should expect to see their buying power increase as the dollar should continue to rise in value.

  2. Joe

    The other exception MIGHT be more political but Dr. Neely felt that McCain was probably speaking about the economy with the exception of housing and lending.

    For me that’s like saying you’re pretty healthy except for that black mole growing on your forehead. :) (black growing irregular modes are often the first sign of skin cancer)

    Dr. Nelly, from what I know generally wants to let the market act on its own. He does not want government intervention. Based on a radio interview he did, it sounds like he does in this case because the market is not in a normal downturn but an artificial one.

    This is also probably what Bush was referring to when he said the market was not behaving the way it was suppose too. In those cases, I too am for government intervention. Otherwise those invisble hands of the free market may slap us all up side our heads.

    There will likely be more regulations on derivatives in the future. From what I know, we need that. Just like we need regulations on publicly traded corporations. We don’t want them using any method of accounting they choose. To do so would leave our stock markets and financial statements with very little meaningful data.

  3. Joe

    I wrote an article regarding some of the causes the credit crunch that started this in the first place. Check out Credit Crunch

  4. Whitney

    Hey, so what about me? I am an expat. I live and work in Mexico City but I am paid in pesos. The peso’s value is down between 30 and 40%, depending on the day.

    Unfortunatly, I have debt in the US. Student loans, credit cards (plane tickets, etc) and I can no longer afford to transfer money.

    What’s a poor girl to do with so many pesos??

  5. Joe Expat

    Hello Whitney!

    The dollar is expected to go down now. All these bailouts will mean more dollars are available and thus the supply can meet the demand and the price is expected to fall. At least that is what some experts are saying.

    You must have landed one heck of a job to pay off your expensive US education and pesos. :) You sound pretty lucky to me, just out of school, working in another land that would have rocked when I was just out of college.

    You have many more choices than most retired expats. I couldn’t get a job if I wanted one, too broken down I’m afraid.

    Enjoy your stay in Mexico, have fun and LIVE and consider filing bankruptcy if those loans are really high. :) Stay in Mexico for ten years and then that will drop off your credit report. Seems like they passed some laws to limit bankruptcy on student loans.

    But if you can pay them, do so. it’s probably the morally right thing to do. I’m a bit jaded and everything is just a legal matter to me. I’m just a legal matter to the companies I borrow money from so I feel the same way about them. Hopefully, you’ll never get that jaded. :)

    So tell us, what are you doing down there in Mexico, doctor, engineer?

  6. Joe Expat

    Whitney, a PS for you… They Mexican Peso value may fall along with the dollar. Since imports into the US will be low the Mexican economy may tank too, it likely will. So a falling dollar will not help you if the Mexican Peso falls along with it. So far, that’s exactly what has been happening for me in the last few days.

    But all these bail outs, sooner or later will destroy the dollar if they become too heavy. Right now the number is at about 7 trillion dollars. This is a staggering number. I’m seeing that this number is higher than Vietnam War, The Race To The Moon, The Iraq war, the Korean war, The New Deal, and others COMBINED is about 3.5 trillion.

    Hopefully all these companies will pay the government back but all this new money that we are crating by these new loans is eventually going to lead to inflation unless we get production up.

    We are headed toward a deficit equal to 10% of the GNP and the last time we had that was in 1945. At the end of WWII.

  7. Whitney

    Thanks, Joe. I appreciate your comments a lot. I don’t make a lot of money here in Mexico, not a doctor or an engineer, but rather, a financial analyst (not economist :) ). My student loans and consumer debt don’t have to be a whole lot for this to hurt. ON Mexico’s terms I have a good job, although the business is in a sudden, shocking phase of downsizing, but I’ve hung in here so far. I could run home to dollars but the corporate offices where I use to work are also cutting jobs like never before. I’m pretty sure I should count myself lucky just having a job and an affordable living situation. I am young and out of college and enjoying Mexico, but mostly I fell in love with a Mexican several years ago who was later deported, We were recently married and hope to spend some time in the US eventually but immigration is a another topic.

    I am also concerned about Mexico’s economy. I’m afraid it is going to tank with the US and inflation is going to hit us hard, but mostly I think that because everything seems to be going in a constantly downward spiral (or is it upward? $$$). I’m afraid all these bail-outs will cost the US more than what’s imagined. Mexico bought bad loans in the banking crisis of the early ninety’s and supposedly their ”bail-out”, which the Mexican government hoped to make money off of, ended up costing them 3 times more.

    When will we hit bottom?

  8. Joe Expat

    I think you sell yourself short! I’ve had to relearn everything, perhaps I remember more than I realized I did and I had a really good foundation in the basics. I’ve pretty much ignored finance and economics for the last 20 years. Ii got back into contact with a much admired college professor just before this crisis hit. I saw it coming a couple of weeks before the bottom fell out and that felt kind of good to think I’ve not completely lost everything I ever learned. LOL

    I’m sure you’re more in tune with things than I am and would love to have your input.

    You’re a rarity, a female expat. :)

    Awww love, yea that will mess up your life. LOL Deported, oh my. I’ve imported a wife once myself (never put it that way before lol) and she was from Canada so that was pretty easy except for the paper work which was a freaking night mare. The IRS doesn’t have anything on the INS!

    Glad you were able to reconnect with your guy. He doesn’t treat you right and I’ll beat him with a bat!

    I wish I had always worked for myself. I strongly recommend you get something going on the web. I know retirement seems like it will never come but trust me it comes fast!

    Are you bilingual? You working in Mexico and being bilingual bids well for you. That has to look great on your on your resume!

    Money doesn’t really matter very mmuch but the lack of it sure does.

    Maybe we could do something online together if it wouldn’t cause you a conflict of interest or other issues. I’ve been thinking of doing a finance\economics website at some point.

    I’m an accountant but boy have I forgot all the FASB and GAS as I worked in income tax only then as a computer annalist. I am strictly a hobbyist in this field. But I do my research.

    When I was in school we didn’t have derivatives and bundled securities, if we did, I certainly didn’t know about it.

    Some think we have hit bottom and are now on the way back up. Perhaps the worst is over in the banking industry. It is hard to say.

    It would seem there are more hard times to come, even for banks, because now that the housing bubble has popped, the ramifications of that are yet to actually hit.

    The numbers the government is throwing at the problem though had better work. They are larger than nearly all the other public works throughout the 1900′s combined!

    As you know, a deficit in government spending is not a bad thing but what we have looks like it will approach 10% of GNP and it hasn’t been that high since 1945.

    Yea, have fun in Mexico! Be careful!

  9. Joe Expat

    Hope you stay in touch!

  10. Aldee

    Hi joe!
    In your post, u mentioned that the causes for the current financial affairs in 2008 is caused by the credit contraction and the politics.

    then what do you think about the food crisis and the increases in the oil price that lead to financial crisis in 2008?

    aren’t these two factors also another two important factors for the causes of the financial crisis?

  11. Joe Expat

    I think the credit contraction is what caused the negative growth in the economy. That negative growth by definition is recession.

    Everything in the economy played a part in it. Gasoline at $4.50 a a gallon would cause a huge recession in my budget. :)

    But no, it is not a major reason for the economic crises of 2008. The price of gas is about 1/3 what it was in October. If that was the cause, the crises would be over. Gas prices will go back up to those prices once consumers start spending again. Had gas prices stayed at those prices, it would make things harder for people of course.

    Since there is no lending there is no money for growth. There is no lending because of the losses in the housing sector.

  12. sezianne

    In the past few months or maybe even the coming months, the economic activities of the G3 countries may be growing in a slow rate.
    what do you think are the reasons that lead to this weak economic growth despite the credit contraction and the politics that you have talked about in your post? =]

    from quite a number of website that i’ve been to, food crisis was mentioned quite a few times. do you think this can be another cause for this negative economic growth?

    and from one of your reader, aldee, has mentioned about the increase in the oil price. i was rather curious why did the price skyrocket so much in the first place? was it just purely because of the falling dollars? or maybe the increase in demand for the use of it by the developing countries like China and India?

  13. Joe Expat

    I don’t think the food crises had much to do with the recession. By food crises, I assume you mean the higher prices. High prices SHOULD increase production and spur growth. The food crises was much more of an issue for the poor. When prices go up, the poor don’t stockpile their cash, they just buy less. When food prices rises, that doesn’t trigger unemployment. I don’t see how the issues with food that I am aware of could have contributed to these recession.

    I don’t know why the price of oil went up so much. It really went up very high. At the time, many said it was being manipulated upward. By speculators engaging in practices to push it up. I don’t think that is likely, markets don’t usually behave that way. It is quite curious though. Lot of conspiracy theorist would probably say we have oil men in the white house, that’s why it went up. Maybe there’s something to that. As squeaky clean as Jimmy Carter was, when he left office there was a peanut shortage and he was a peanut farmer!

    I think the price of oil is probably undervalued now. I’d like to see it drop more but it really doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense that it would. Demand for it hasn’t become slower. Since the price has fallen, some production will likely stop as the cost to get it out of the ground is too high. Those high prices stimulate more exploration and give us access to oil that would otherwise be too costly to obtain.

    I’ve not done much research on that or even thought about it. I’ll try to do that. why has the price of oil fallen. Good question. Has demand really fallen enough to justify this? Wouldn’t seem like it.

    Losses in high risk derivatives caused Lehman Brothers to fail and AIG to get into trouble. That lead to a panic but the problem was there before hand. A month before that the Fed quadrupled the amount of money that could be lent out for each dollar held by a bank. That is when my red flags went waving.

    When the lending stopped, the growth went negative. It is impossible to sustain that kind of growth when business can’t borrow money. When businesses can’t borrow, they can’t expand and they may not be able to continue operating. They need short term loans sometimes to make payroll. Very profitable businesses can have cash flow businesses and they need banks to get them through that.

  14. sweet

    hello joe,
    im sweet from cebu,i just ask if how much is the viente mil mexican money in pesos,how about in $? Do u know any money changer that i can exchange it here in my place? I keep this bill since 1990 in my wallet so i think to use it this time.Is this bill still okey?

  15. tom

    You should probably check with a bank or money exchange. I don’t ever femember seeing Mexican Pesos on their boards but that doesn’t mean they won’t take it. I don’t know if Mexico has demonitized that currency or not. You’ll just have to ask.

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